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Some Stonking Speeches

Just a few videos from today’s referendum debate. Some MPs seemed to lose their way and lost sight of the fact that the motion was whether to allow the British people a referendum on the EU, instead they began addressing EU points.

In the end it was Ayes: 111, Noes 483 – so 483 MPs who don’t think the British people should have a voice on the EU.

Jacob Rees-Mogg

Frank Field

Bill Cash

Stewart Jackson

Thanks to LiarPoliticians for the videos – he’s had a busy day.

There were plenty of others: Redwood, Shepherd, Jenkin, Walker, Baron, Carswell … … too many to mention – well done to all the 111: we won’t forget.

UPDATE The full text of the debate is now up on HANSARD and it’s well worth looking through. Ian Davidson (Lab Co-op) was another MP who made some excellent points and there are quite a few stinkers too – Eustice, for example, the Tory toad who tabled an amendment, abstained, so his career is safe.  Aiden Burley was another one who made a fool of himself.  Shouts of “drivel” were heard towards the end of his short speech.  I think this is funny:

Mr Denis MacShane (Rotherham) (Lab) rose—
Hon. Members: Groan!
Mr Deputy Speaker : Order. He has not said anything yet!

Here’s the list of the Ayes:
Andrew, Stuart
Baker, Steve
Baron, Mr John
Bingham, Andrew
Binley, Mr Brian
Blackman, Bob
Brady, Mr Graham
Bridgen, Andrew
Brine, Mr Steve
Bruce, Fiona
Byles, Dan
Campbell, Mr Gregory
Campbell, Mr Ronnie
Carswell, Mr Douglas
Cash, Mr William
Chope, Mr Christopher
Clappison, Mr James
Cooper, Rosie
Corbyn, Jeremy
Crouch, Tracey
Cruddas, Jon
Cryer, John
Davidson, Mr Ian
Davies, David T. C. (Monmouth)
Davies, Philip
Davis, rh Mr David
de Bois, Nick
Dinenage, Caroline
Dodds, rh Mr Nigel
Donaldson, rh Mr Jeffrey M.
Dorries, Nadine
Drax, Richard
Engel, Natascha
Field, rh Mr Frank
Field, Mr Mark
Fullbrook, Lorraine
Godsiff, Mr Roger
Goldsmith, Zac
Gray, Mr James
Heaton-Harris, Chris
Henderson, Gordon
Hermon, Lady
Hoey, Kate
Hollingbery, George
Holloway, Mr Adam
Hopkins, Kelvin
Jackson, Mr Stewart
Jenkin, Mr Bernard
Jones, Mr Marcus
Kelly, Chris
Leadsom, Andrea
Lefroy, Jeremy
Leigh, Mr Edward
Lewis, Dr Julian
Lucas, Caroline
Lumley, Karen
Main, Mrs Anne
McCabe, Steve
McCartney, Jason
McCartney, Karl
McCrea, Dr William
McDonnell, John
McPartland, Stephen
Mercer, Patrick
Mills, Nigel
Mitchell, Austin
Morris, Anne Marie
Morris, James
Mosley, Stephen
Murray, Sheryll
Nokes, Caroline
Nuttall, Mr David
Offord, Mr Matthew
Paisley, Ian
Parish, Neil
Patel, Priti
Percy, Andrew
Pritchard, Mark
Reckless, Mark
Redwood, rh Mr John
Rees-Mogg, Jacob
Reevell, Simon
Robertson, Mr Laurence
Rosindell, Andrew
Sanders, Mr Adrian
Shannon, Jim
Shepherd, Mr Richard
Simpson, David
Skinner, Mr Dennis
Smith, rh Mr Andrew
Smith, Henry
Stevenson, John
Stewart, Bob
Stewart, Iain
Streeter, Mr Gary
Stringer, Graham
Stuart, Ms Gisela
Sturdy, Julian
Tapsell, rh Sir Peter
Tomlinson, Justin
Turner, Mr Andrew
Vickers, Martin
Walker, Mr Charles
Walker, Mr Robin
Weatherley, Mike
Wheeler, Heather
Whittaker, Craig
Whittingdale, Mr John
Wilson, Sammy
Wollaston, Dr Sarah
Wood, Mike
Tellers for the Ayes:
Mr Peter Bone and
Mr Philip Hollobone

Munching over old news

This stuff really needs spreading around a little bit more.  This is for DP111 and anyone else who missed the post:

The Localism Bill & The Maastricht Treaty

Extract:
(From Hansard, February 1993)

“For as long as a person is a British national, that person will be a European citizen, under the terms of the treaty and the Bill. As was said earlier, if someone wishes to renounce British nationality, certain
Column 35
consequences will follow ; but there is no separate provision whereby a person can remain a United Kingdom national but renounce citizenship of the European union.”

On the Queen as a citizen of the European Union:

Column 36
Mr. Shepherd : Is it the Home Secretary’s understanding that the Queen becomes a citizen of the union of Europe under the provisions of the Bill? …
Mr. Clarke : I shall give further consideration to that question, but I do not see why not.
Mr. Shepherd : She must do.
Mr. Clarke : The Queen is undoubtedly a British national. She, being a national of the United Kingdom, is likely to become a citizen of the European union. [Interruption.] I shall reflect upon that point, but I very much suspect that that is the position. I do not believe that we should expand upon the position of the monarch at length, but I do not see why the Queen should be any more fearful of that prospect than anybody else is likely to be.

Lick clink for more 🙂 ; it also has info on a European Army.

DP111s request prompted me to wonder how many people don’t know about England not being a nation according to the EU.  In the light of legal proceedings vis-a-vis students in England & Scotland, it’s worth pointing out that they’re on a hiding to nothing.  We, England, are not officially recognised as a Nation in its own right, only as an area of Regions.  Pipe. Smoke. Warned. Were.

In Black & White at Last

In short, if you’re born in Britain you are the property of the European Union.  WHEDFUs are also a good round-up of what’s happening in the EU, even though I do say it myself, and worth keeping up with.

Oh, come on.  Well, if you insist.   WHEDFU = What has Europe done for us?   Clicky the tag.

Munching Over Old News

This stuff really needs spreading around a little bit more.  This is for DP111 and anyone else who missed the post:

The Localism Bill & The Maastricht Treaty

Extract:
(From Hansard, February 1993)

“For as long as a person is a British national, that person will be a European citizen, under the terms of the treaty and the Bill. As was said earlier, if someone wishes to renounce British nationality, certain
Column 35
consequences will follow ; but there is no separate provision whereby a person can remain a United Kingdom national but renounce citizenship of the European union.”

On the Queen as a citizen of the European Union:

Column 36
Mr. Shepherd : Is it the Home Secretary’s understanding that the Queen becomes a citizen of the union of Europe under the provisions of the Bill? …
Mr. Clarke : I shall give further consideration to that question, but I do not see why not.
Mr. Shepherd : She must do.
Mr. Clarke : The Queen is undoubtedly a British national. She, being a national of the United Kingdom, is likely to become a citizen of the European union. [Interruption.] I shall reflect upon that point, but I very much suspect that that is the position. I do not believe that we should expand upon the position of the monarch at length, but I do not see why the Queen should be any more fearful of that prospect than anybody else is likely to be.

Lick clink for more 🙂 ; it also has info on a European Army.

DP111s request prompted me to wonder how many people don’t know about England not being a nation according to the EU.  In the light of legal proceedings vis-a-vis students in England & Scotland, it’s worth pointing out that they’re on a hiding to nothing.  We, England, are not officially recognised as a Nation in its own right, only as an area of Regions.  Pipe. Smoke. Warned. Were.

In Black & White at Last

In short, if you’re born in Britain you are the property of the European Union.  WHEDFUs are also a good round-up of what’s happening in the EU, even though I do say it myself, and worth keeping up with.

Oh, come on.  Well, if you insist.   WHEDFU = What has Europe done for us?   Clicky the tag.

Got the Blues

I’ve got the blues: a black dog, monkey on my back sort of day and, as usual, the monkey is politics.

The people we’re helping
The people who “rule” us
The people who write in newspapers
Surprise, surprise
Arrested for “lack of common sense” in the US

The front pages:

The Daily Express
The Guardian
The Sun
The Independent
The Daily Telegraph
The Daily Mail

I mustn’t forget The Daily Star.  Eighty-eight MPs signed an EDM calling on the BBC to include the DS in their regular newspaper reviews.  The EDM itself, put forward by Ian Lavery MP, has gone awol.  EDMs cost an average of £290 each and are essentially puff pieces for MPs to raise their own profile in the HoC: there were 1428 in the 2009-10 session of Parliament.

It’s a rare occasion if the msm reports what the independent blogs report. THIS, is the most recent example – it’s mentioned nowhere in the msm.  Not only do the press not report fully or without bias but they disseminate “untruths”. Untruths are leftie-lie-speak, but we don’t like lies, no-one ever lies; so they just forget to tell us things.

There’s too much ‘shock’ and ‘outrage’, too many pendulums. We don’t need winding up, only to be ‘saved’ by government intervention, and wound down again.  If you look closely at the news we’re often presented with horrific scenarios juxtaposed with heart-melting animal or children stories: our 4th Estate has become the Mills & Boon of news reporting.

We live in a country that seems to be in perpetual fear of others and a permanent state of outrage, not only ready to take the slightest offence but actively looking for reasons to be offended and encouraged to do so by regulation and law.  People aren’t afraid of their government, they’re afraid of each other.  This needs to be turned on its head so that the government is afraid of the people because, after all, we do elect them and pay them to represent us.

Ultimately, people need to know the facts so they can make “an informed decision” (that’s a great phrase by the way and much loved of Lefties when talking about public services and ‘localism’).  When was the British electorate last able to make “an informed decision”?

Shock, horror, outrage? By all means, but the government says: just so long as it isn’t shock at innocent people dying from tasering; be horrified, as long as it isn’t at NHS neglect; be outraged, as long is it isn’t at government vacuity, incompetence and dereliction of duty.

One of the best posts this week is THIS, which highlights the disparity between those who rule and those who do not.  It’s time more people knew about paedophilia in high places.

I also liked THIS and  THIS very much.  The UAF forgot Pastor Neimoller’s words.

“Any time you’re thinking evil, you’re thinking about the blues.”

Got The Blues

I’ve got the blues: a black dog, monkey on my back sort of day and, as usual, the monkey is politics.

The people we’re helping
The people who “rule” us
The people who write in newspapers
Surprise, surprise
Arrested for “lack of common sense” in the US

The front pages:

The Daily Express
The Guardian
The Sun
The Independent
The Daily Telegraph
The Daily Mail

I mustn’t forget The Daily Star.  Eighty-eight MPs signed an EDM calling on the BBC to include the DS in their regular newspaper reviews.  The EDM itself, put forward by Ian Lavery MP, has gone awol.  EDMs cost an average of £290 each and are essentially puff pieces for MPs to raise their own profile in the HoC: there were 1428 in the 2009-10 session of Parliament.

It’s a rare occasion if the msm reports what the independent blogs report. THIS, is the most recent example – it’s mentioned nowhere in the msm.  Not only do the press not report fully or without bias but they disseminate “untruths”. Untruths are leftie-lie-speak, but we don’t like lies, no-one ever lies; so they just forget to tell us things.

There’s too much ‘shock’ and ‘outrage’, too many pendulums. We don’t need winding up, only to be ‘saved’ by government intervention, and wound down again.  If you look closely at the news we’re often presented with horrific scenarios juxtaposed with heart-melting animal or children stories: our 4th Estate has become the Mills & Boon of news reporting.

We live in a country that seems to be in perpetual fear of others and a permanent state of outrage, not only ready to take the slightest offence but actively looking for reasons to be offended and encouraged to do so by regulation and law.  People aren’t afraid of their government, they’re afraid of each other.  This needs to be turned on its head so that the government is afraid of the people because, after all, we do elect them and pay them to represent us.

Ultimately, people need to know the facts so they can make “an informed decision” (that’s a great phrase by the way and much loved of Lefties when talking about public services and ‘localism’).  When was the British electorate last able to make “an informed decision”?

Shock, horror, outrage? By all means, but the government says: just so long as it isn’t shock at innocent people dying from tasering; be horrified, as long as it isn’t at NHS neglect; be outraged, as long is it isn’t at government vacuity, incompetence and dereliction of duty.

One of the best posts this week is THIS, which highlights the disparity between those who rule and those who do not.  It’s time more people knew about paedophilia in high places.

I also liked THIS and  THIS very much.  The UAF forgot Pastor Neimoller’s words, if they ever knew them in the first place.

“Any time you’re thinking evil, you’re thinking about the blues.”

Jacqui in the spotlight, again

Trougher and former-Home Secretary Jacqui Smith  has rarely been off our airwaves since she failed to be re-elected in May 2010. She’s regularly hauled on as a pundit to comment on political programmes such as The Week, Question Time, Newsnight and The Daily Politics – it’s astounding how the BBC are doing their best to fill the gap in her income.

This week she’s a guest presenter on LBC Radio; yesterday I had the misfortune to catch her asking listeners to call in and tell her why the government should be more involved in controlling people’s health. Fortunately, from the half-hour segment I heard, most of the callers emphasised the need for personal responsibility and said the government should butt out of our lives. The only support she received was from a woman who ran some sort of charity for fatties that’s in danger of losing government/taxpayer funds.

She-who-should-be-shunned is making the news this morning instead of commenting on it. It seems that two convicts on day release to a local charity have been re-decorating her home instead of working on community projects. The prison is “launching an investigation” into how the charity sent them to do unpaid work at Smith’s home instead of benefiting the community at large.

Not much of a story I suppose, in that it won’t address the fundamental problem of the proliferation of these Fake Charities which in reality are nothing more than an arm of the State. but it does give another opportunity to watch the surly sow deliver her reluctant apology to Parliament:

UPDATE: It seems that Smith donated pot plants in return for the work on the house prior to renting it out.

Jacqui In The Spotlight, Again

Trougher and former-Home Secretary Jacqui Smith  has rarely been off our airwaves since she failed to be re-elected in May 2010. She’s regularly hauled on as a pundit to comment on political programmes such as The Week, Question Time, Newsnight and The Daily Politics – it’s astounding how the BBC are doing their best to fill the gap in her income.

This week she’s a guest presenter on LBC Radio; yesterday I had the misfortune to catch her asking listeners to call in and tell her why the government should be more involved in controlling people’s health. Fortunately, from the half-hour segment I heard, most of the callers emphasised the need for personal responsibility and said the government should butt out of our lives. The only support she received was from a woman who ran some sort of charity for fatties that’s in danger of losing government/taxpayer funds.

She-who-should-be-shunned is making the news this morning instead of commenting on it. It seems that two convicts on day release to a local charity have been re-decorating her home instead of working on community projects. The prison is “launching an investigation” into how the charity sent them to do unpaid work at Smith’s home instead of benefiting the community at large.

Not much of a story I suppose, in that it won’t address the fundamental problem of the proliferation of these Fake Charities which in reality are nothing more than an arm of the State. but it does give another opportunity to watch the surly sow deliver her reluctant apology to Parliament:

UPDATE: It seems that Smith donated pot plants in return for the work on the house prior to renting it out.